candidly it's mitt romney who has had the problem in the appearances lately. in that regard, i think if he makes it through without doing anything like that, that alope puts him in game. >> bret: one thing you watch is the dynamic between the two. what is not spoken. just body language, kind of the interaction. what do r you looking for in the first 30 minutes let's say? >> we have never seen them together on a stage. they met once or twice before. it will be interesting to see how it plays out. we can think of one debate where the body language between the two candidates made a difference. bush versus gore, gore acted supercilious and condescending toward governor bush. it played badly with the public. went over badly. he was sighing and went over and stood in his space. and bush looked at him. that was body language. there aren't many of those. truth is as important as they are and as many people watch them it's not usual for a debate to really change trajectory of a race but it can happen. that's why we're so interested tonight. it could happen because of b